在上海的摩根斯坦利搞java开发怎么样，薪水如何？

chinata?LV?  -_-!!!!!

牛逼的公司
牛逼的java人
牛逼的工资

打工难啊，累死累活二三十K就差不多通顶了，人家有关系接个项目上千万我们这些民工死死的做。

。。貌似英语只是基本要求，就跟中国公司找人，丫的这人不会说中文一样。

还是先应聘上再说吧

请问您是应聘IT还是金融啊? 出这种问题只有2种情况
1 HR 是个装X的傻X

2 您应聘的职位是做Quant的.

我曾经在国外的一家Top10的银行外国总部呆过一年.所处的团队正好是开发交易系统.感觉他们的技术并不是最新的.甚至很多陈旧的技术.但是应该很稳定.每个新版本上线都要有非常大的人力物力去测试模拟再测试再模拟.非常费时.
值得一提的是 这个系统是用java 做的 再加一下RMI一类的远程的东西.没有ssh. 内网网页是PHP.
程序员除了写程序 还要做维护 很多会议 很多交流 很多培训 很多...
总之技术够用就行 除了民工的技术以外 还有很多事情要做.

我就是面IT（基本上PHD才能面quant），第一题是巴克莱问的，第二题是小摩，第三题是大摩(高盛问过一题类似的，大概是call option和 Convexity对duration的影响)，莫非我总是碰到SB？当然也有什么都不问的，比如纯粹做wire的一个接口或者高频交易，就什么也不问。同样面巴克莱，上午一个组把我问死了，下午的就说我们这里就是纯技术，虽然2个组都是前台
quant是做模型的，只要数学就行了，都是问脑筋急转弯，哪里有quant问这些业务的（你上网去找找quant的面经就知道了）。但如果你做mid-office之前的东西（valuation，risk，pricing，rating）或者支持销售和交易员，难道一人配一个奶妈在后面为你回答业务问题？
BTW：HR才不会问这种问题。HR只会问你什么时候可以开始上班。

也许你这个职位不是编码的,是做类似产品经理的跟业务挂钩的职位. 我所了解的进CIB的程序员并不需要知道你所说的 pricing valo 等一类的知识. 对金融产品有所了解是个plus 但是不是必须.原因有2

1 开发之前有准备工作.涉及什么金融产品,是什么流程,会有专人给程序员讲.你有点基础 领悟的快.没基础记下来就行.不懂了还可以问.

2 真正编码开始以后那些衍生品的名字以及定价的方法都只是一个符号,一个算法.对你没有意义.完全可以用A B C D代替.你关心的是代码健壮.别出bug.

举例 我曾经参加开发过一个app涉及一个借出股票 定时算利息 最后还股票的业务.走的就是这个流程.开发前大家基本都不懂 记住哪个位置用哪个公式就行了.

you know why? because what you mention that is just a normal equity trading processing(short on broker side), that is simple and straightforward, it is hard to make mistake and hard to make misunderstand (you can understand the process in several hours), so it is possible to 领悟的快. It is one of the simplest business. It is 100% broker and 0 about pricing.
To give you a similar case, if you do the brokerage for a fund or asset management company, you need calculate the value of a complex portfolio, which may includes different bond (gov, corp), FX, CDS (for hedging), CDO, ABS, equity, etc, you need many many different factors --- very likely are matrix (various risk, val, different discount rate, spot rate, exchange rate, events, etc) to calculate the value under different assumption, if you don't know the business logic, it is very hard (or impossible) to figure it out that your job is wrong or not(because no one know what should be proper value) (this M2M must need to do it at daily basis or real time by demand).
This is not only for customer, also for broker, because broker need to know their position, on derivative market, the broker acts as market maker and take counter party risk for every contract.
of course, everyone may only take a part of the big valuation process (for example, usually a team 4-5 persons work together do CDS valuation) and it is not very difficult (at least not rocket science and just normal high school math level, also repeat day to day), but if the developer is not business aware, I don't know how company will let you to do that, there are so many developers are experienced and know business knowledge.
What I say here is a very normal fund brokerage business. If the case turn to buy side or trading desk, will be much more complex. The problem is in most case, you don't have enough time to do development and it is impossible just kill time by doing knowledge transfer.

BTW: in my ex-company, it is small, the IT department only have 30 developers including 4 certified CFA, 2 certified FRM (at least 10 more passed CFA 1, and two guys are taking part time MFE). It is a company do private loan and distressed asset, 0 about quant.